Bishopsfinger 9:58 Fri Aug 23
The slow death of pubs
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With as many as 17 pubs a week closing, soon enough they will be few and far between. Many if the existing ones apart from ones highly used by rural communities will be no more.
Lots of the ones that do stay open will be almost unrecognisable as what we perceive to be traditional.
Serving food now is so all more important bit bring extra wage costs and more demand on staff management.
Many factors see this decline the top ones I believe are. A reluctance to reduce rent and business rates, the ever increasing minimum wage, new potential customers habits are changing to more in line with central Europeans and discounting from larger pub chains.
Health & Hygiene along with compliance is obviously a good thing but it also comes at a great cost of time and money. Many owners/ tenants spend more time on that than actually ensuring the patrons are happy. This reducing the quality of experience. Many get stuck in an office when they should be behind the bar.
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Manuel
10:02 Fri Aug 23
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A lot of youngsters in the UK now are not into pubs and boozing, so it is inevitable that there will be a death of pubs, plus other reasons of course.
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BRANDED
10:05 Fri Aug 23
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There are lots of reasons.
1. Not many customers
2. The value of property
3. Cheap supermarket booze
4. The price of booze in a pub
5. Location of pub
6. Competition
7. Younger people not drinking much
8. Other pass times
9. Large pub owners charging too much rent and the pub tie.
10. People not wanting to run pubs
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Iron Duke
10:09 Fri Aug 23
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Most of them have to serve food or have live music to survive. It's too expensive.
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BRANDED
10:09 Fri Aug 23
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In other news
There are now 2,000 breweries in the UK - the highest number on record since the 1930s, according to Camra.
Not all bad
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Percy Dalton
10:11 Fri Aug 23
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The obvious two main factors are the drink and drive laws and the ever increasing prices. Years ago you didn't need to take a mortgage out for a nights entertainment
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BRANDED
10:16 Fri Aug 23
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Blame property prices and tax. The cost of ingredients hasn’t gone up that much.
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Westside
10:17 Fri Aug 23
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The obvious two main factors are the drink and drive laws
Don't think drink drive laws are a factor. The current drink driving limit, in England and Wales, was set over 50 years ago.
Pub closures are a more recent phenomena.
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Niblets
10:19 Fri Aug 23
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£6+ a pint
There's your reason.
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Sydney_Iron
10:22 Fri Aug 23
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I think a lot has to do with the generations coming through hooked to there phones and mobile devices, going down the Pub and socialising is maybe not high on the list of things to do when you have been on facebook, twitter etc all day, even getting a date is online for many youngsters, then off to a restaurant to watch each other texting or whatever.
Noticed last time i was back in the UK, Pubs i went into was mainly an older crowd, add in the cost and not suprised many are dissapearing, the only ones to survive are those reinventing themselves as restaurants or function venues.
Traditional Pub will soon be a thing of the past.
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Bishopsfinger
10:22 Fri Aug 23
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Also the high road decline is a reason. Business and rents so high. Any high road now is either a restaurant, beauty parlour, or haidressers all stuff you cant experience on the internet.
Every other shop is a restaurant selling cheap food and drink. So yes more competition, the internet has changed people's shopping habits drastically.
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HAMMERAMA
10:28 Fri Aug 23
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The only reason I go to a Pub is to watch Sport and even Sky take the piss in the charges to Pubs and Clubs
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Manuel
10:32 Fri Aug 23
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OP - did you know the bishops finger pub near holborn viaduct in the 80's?
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Bishopsfinger
10:44 Fri Aug 23
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No mate, wasnt of drinking age at that time ( just)
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13 Brentford Rd
10:46 Fri Aug 23
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Best Pub in London = Red Lion Leytonstone!
Young people don't drink like they used to. Many now prefer to go to fucking Cake & Shake type places and gorge on sugar.
As a rule Muslims and Asians don't drink and they are now a large minority.
More choice now, in the old days there simply wasn't many alternatives for a night out. It was the culture Now there are shisha bars, sweet bars, the internet, social media and on demand TV etc. People are also more health concious.
Times have changed a lot.
Pubs have evolved too, the only good thing to come out of the hipster movement is all the micro breweries and hipster pubs.
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New Jersey
10:48 Fri Aug 23
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Hopefully the rate of decline may have levelled out, you just can't beat going to a decent boozer!
The standard and variety of beer/lager today is so much better, in the past shit beer was far too common.
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wd40
10:48 Fri Aug 23
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Do recall darts night back in the 70's getting early to the pub to get a good seat which usually was on a Tuesday or Thursday .
Always packed out -so many dart teams some pubs had three teams.
Another world
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Vexed
10:56 Fri Aug 23
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It's a shame. My favourite local pub has just been refurbed and is now a generic cunt pit rather than the quaint, cosy place it once was. Not many pubs have character anymore, they're all wood floors and poncy exposed brickwork like a Slug & Lettuce on a budget.
Can't see it getting any better post Brexit.
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simon.s
10:56 Fri Aug 23
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I was in a pub on Saturday night and me and my bird were the only two in there. It was in Wales though.
Lot of boozers in the city near me still do a good trade Monday to Friday in the evening.
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Kaiser Zoso
10:59 Fri Aug 23
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'Can't see it getting any better post Brexit'
Gutted?
You must fit right in to that cunt pit, btw.
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simon.s
10:59 Fri Aug 23
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Brentford - I prefer the North Star up the road.
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